WWI Digest 2928 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Re: ICM's kits and Konig review by "Ray Boorman" 2) Re: Another p/e idea by "Steven M.Perry" 3) Re: Re: ICM's kits and Konig review by "Michael Kendix" 4) Harry Woodman's PE Parts by "Lance Krieg" 5) Port Victoria PV7/ Sopwith Hobbies by Todd Hayes 6) Re: Fotocut by Morg17ms@aol.com 7) Re: ICM's kits and Konig review by TomTheAeronut@aol.com 8) Re: Fotocut by Todd Hayes 9) Re: Another p/e idea by "David Calhoun" 10) Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by JVT7532@aol.com 11) Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 12) Going Down Under by =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= 13) Re: ICM's kits and Konig review by "Michael Kendix" 14) Re: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) by "Michael Kendix" 15) Signing off by "Matt Bittner" 16) Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by "Steven M.Perry" 17) Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by Todd Hayes 18) Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by Todd Hayes 19) Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by "Steven M.Perry" 20) RE: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) by "Paul Schwartzkopf" 21) Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by Todd Hayes 22) Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by Todd Hayes 23) RE: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) by "Michael Kendix" 24) RE: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts by "Ray Boorman" 25) Re: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) by TomTheAeronut@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 13:42:03 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re: ICM's kits and Konig review Message-ID:
Tom, David

I dont think its only models that are expected to be shake and bake /
total masterpieces of accuracy out of the box. We have an expectation
that everything we buy or do nowadays has an instant gratification
level. No skill required of course just 10 mins of assembly time and
poof an instant whatever........

Of course Tom you had better watch out someone might sue you for not
giving a government warning or some such as in "you need a brain to
assemble this model"

Ray Boorman (Wow its so slow at work today)









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------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:46:18 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: Another p/e idea Message-ID: <00dc01c07117$9d004140$42fbaec7@default> > I would point out that the Harry Woodman Parts Extravaganza already contains hundreds and hundreds of useful bits, and is for sale through Rosemont, at least. Anyone not familiar with these parts should consider them before devoting the time to a one-off project. Let me know if you wonder what parts are on these sheets. Lance: I believe they are also available from Sopwith Hobbies. They are in the catalog at least. A description of the set would be most helpful and sure would be appreciated. > Steve, if you can get Fred to okay it, I will copy his booklet - It was Ray who contacted Fotocut. Ray, can you relay the request? Witold, if you would, check with your friend at Part and see if they have any specifications for artwork and available sizes of frets their equipment produces. Todd, if you have been in communication with Tom's, can you please check with them for the same info? Eric, you interested in producing such a sheet if the artwork were provided? If we can come up with a sheet of useful parts that aren't readily available on other sheets, then we can probably get a run made at a pretty reasonable cost if enough of us get in on this. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:23:59 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Re: ICM's kits and Konig review Message-ID: >From: "Ray Boorman" >I dont think its only models that are expected to be shake and bake / total >masterpieces of accuracy out of the box. We have an expectation that >everything we buy or do nowadays has an instant gratification level. No >skill required of course just 10 mins of assembly time and poof an instant >whatever........ Ray, Tom, David, Dick, Harry, Fred, etc., etc. How right you are, all of you. Why, it seems like only yesterday I was walking to and from school 10 miles in the snow up hill (both ways), and when I got home, my Dad would whip us, chop us into bits, bury us and sing "Halleluyah" while dancing on our graves! And you tell this to young folks these days, and they just don't believe you! (Thanks to MP). Seriously folks, have you looked at the internet lately? Have you seen the magnificent model building efforts on the zillions of personal web sites and the various modelling webzines such as Internet Modeler, Hyperscale, Modeling Madness. I don't see efforts that take 10 minutes to build. On the contrary, I see high standard, high quality builds and loads of them! What do you expect to see on commercial television or read on rms? These appeal to the lowest common denominator. Just because you see a couple of blowhards complaining about a decent kit, you make the mistake of thinking they speak for the majority. They don't, as can be judged from Hasegawa's sales record. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 16:29:54 -0600 From: "Lance Krieg" To: Subject: Harry Woodman's PE Parts Message-ID: Steve has asked for a brief description of these sheets, which are available in all scales from Fotocut through various distributors. IIRC, there are three different sheets, and have been profiled in Scale Models (April, 1978?) and more recently in Windsock, circa 1998. I cannot cite the references as I am at work, and doing this from memory. Besides various styles of wire wheels and hubs, the sheets contain Lewis, Parabellum, Vickers, and Schwarzlos MGs, CFS Bombsight, Cooper bomb rack and bomb arming vanes, Hawker oil cooler, Scarff rings, and Gotha control quadrants. There are numerous interior fittings and instrument bezels, and wicker seat-backs for RFC seats. There are small circles and squares, and a bunch of stuff that I can't begin to figure out. They specifically lack stitching, fishplates, control horns, and various manufacturer's logos (except MoS) that would be handy. A blip switch is readily made by anyone with shim brass and a set of small punches. I've been picking away at these parts since 1978 when I first saw the article, and have yet to exhaust the original, though I have bought several since. I recommend it very highly for the ordnance alone, drawn by St. Harry's own hand. Lance ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:31:08 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Port Victoria PV7/ Sopwith Hobbies Message-ID: <20001228223108.5484.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Just wanted to let anyone who's interested know that Juan told me he has some of the 1:48 PV7's available. I don't know the price. His prices on the Spin Models Spads ($30) are really good too. TH __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:31:37 EST From: Morg17ms@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fotocut Message-ID: <6f.f0feb4d.277d1949@aol.com> Any idea how I might obtain the Fotocut catalog - I wrote them a couple of months ago but no responce. Tom Morgan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 17:36:04 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ICM's kits and Konig review Message-ID: <9f.f2ec29a.277d1a54@aol.com> In a message dated 12/28/00 5:25:37 PM EST, mkendix@hotmail.com writes: << Seriously folks, have you looked at the internet lately? Have you seen the magnificent model building efforts on the zillions of personal web sites and the various modelling webzines such as Internet Modeler, Hyperscale, Modeling Madness. I don't see efforts that take 10 minutes to build. On the contrary, I see high standard, high quality builds and loads of them! >> On a worldwide scale, yeah, there's lots of us out there, but if you figure that stuff as a percentage of the kits that get sold to start with, we are still a small minority, and from the e-mail I get as a reviewer and the things I see posted, plus what I see in the stores, I submit I am not far wrong in my assessment. TC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:44:24 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Fotocut Message-ID: <20001228224424.73681.qmail@web9009.mail.yahoo.com> Tom, I think Rosemont carries the whole available Fotocut line. Todd --- Morg17ms@aol.com wrote: > Any idea how I might obtain the Fotocut catalog - I > wrote them a couple of > months ago but no responce. > > Tom Morgan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:49:54 -0800 From: "David Calhoun" To: Subject: Re: Another p/e idea Message-ID: <010e01c07142$073b9760$d1083ccc@oemcomputer> How about the following items for the generic photoetched sheet: triggers for German control columns, T handles for fuel & oil pressure pumps, a bunch of different throttle levers & quadrants, a pigeon cage for the back seat of a 2 seater, switches as seen on Spad instrument panel, switches as seen on Albatros instrument panel, Bosch generator crank, foot cutouts & seat belt buckles for French, British, German & A-H. If only anybody had an idea how to draw all of all this stuff! I have seen some of these items in a few kits, but not enough to go around for all of the kits without them! Dave Calhoun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:00:34 EST From: JVT7532@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: In a message dated 12/28/2000 4:17:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu writes: << Sounds great, sp!! Count me in, if you get this going farther. >> Me to Steve, sounds like some badly needed items I could certainly use. Best regards, Jon Jon V. Theisen 7532 Lawndale Ave. Phila., PA 19111-2706 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:28:18 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) Message-ID: Tom was ranting (and after how today went, I feel obliged to join him): >>My reference is to two recent releases by Hasegawa........Ohhhh, terrrible, bad Hasegawa! Bad, bad!!<< Another thing, have you also noticed how when a manufacturer brings out a new kit, yesterday's kit of the same subject by a different manufacturer that was the greatest thing since sliced bread has now been thrown in the garbage, and anyone building the old kit is quickly laughed at for using it instead of the new one? This type of person is one of the main reasons I have abandoned the local modeling club. There were people there constantly buying P-47s when they came out, since they were "the best kit available". Only now what are they going to do with 27 "inferior" P-47 kits on their shelves that "nobody should be building"? Only I am the one who gets laughed at for not wanting to buy the new kit, since I already have one of the older "inferior" kits. Can you imagine if we could have 28 different manufacturers putting out Sopwith Camels or Nieuport 12s? >>Quite frankly, it's my belief that a substantial number of those who left the hobby at age 14 for beer and girls should have stayed away.<< I have seen some good work using the newer kits, and am not meaning to detract from that or put down the people that built them, but how many of these people will attempt the early Eduard kits, or a scratch built? Here again I ran into people in the club saying how great their modeling talents were, but they didn't want to mess with a kit that was too much work to build. Sure, do what you want, but don't put people like me down because we the challenge that the Eduard kits present. >>Another thing: has everyone noticed this explosion of "scale model" diecast stuff???<< I also used to build 1/24 scale stock car kits. Now everyone wants diecast, 'cause you don't have to build them. A lot of the kits now have metal (or plastic) pre-painted and decaled bodies. Just isn't the same thing to me as doing it yourself--even if you do flub up now and then. But then, isn't "instant gratification" becoming the new way of life? Now to bring this back on topic, I was looking at the decals in the Eduard Profipack Nieuport 17, and the Indian head decal for Lufberry's Lafayette Escadrille just doesn't look right to me. Would the Indian head decals from the Americal sheet be a better substitute? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 06:59:51 +0700 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Volker_H=E4usler?= To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Going Down Under Message-ID: Just a question or two to our Australian listies: Ill be touring the Australian East Coast (Cairns to Adelaide) in January. Beside the ot interest, Id like to see the Canberra exhibits. Anyone got the information when the Museum is open? Plus, is the Albatros D V on display these days? Too, any good hobby shops I might stumble across on the way? TIA Volker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:25:03 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: ICM's kits and Konig review Message-ID: >From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com > >On a worldwide scale, yeah, there's lots of us out there, but if you > >figure that stuff as a percentage of the kits that get sold to start > >with, we are still a small minority, Where's the evidence of that? Most of the evidence I see on the web is of stuff that people have gone to some trouble to build. How do you know that we are not the tip of the iceberg, so to speak, and representative to some degree of general quality? >and from the e-mail I get as a reviewer I would characterize your style as "entertainingly provocative", which is bound to attract strong views. Those like myself, who have only done a few pieces (I think I've have about 10 articles in Internet Modeler) are possibly less confident and less likely to receive those responses. I've received some helpful advice and positive feedback but never a negative response. >and the things I see posted, Not too much here on the WW1 list. Where? If it's rms, there is a massive "noise-to-signal" ratio in that forum, so I'd argue that it's not really telling you much about representative views. >plus what I see in the stores, I submit I am not far wrong in my > >assessment. How many stores do you visit regularly? Three? Four? Six? It's not really representative. The couple I go to are OK and very good respectively. The OK one caters to a broader range of hobby crafts and collectors' stuff - he does what he does to make a living. Look, what's your point here? Is the hobby going down the drain because of the large numbers of people you say are ruining things? There are always grumblers but their impact is not overwhelming. Do you have a decent choice of kits to build? Surely, we are spoiled for choice. I'm 42 and I'll never live long enough to build all the stuff I like. I don't regard myself as some "Polly-flippin'-anna" type but surely your view is over-pessimistic. Michael Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 02:37:50 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) Message-ID: >From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" >Another thing, have you also noticed how when a manufacturer brings out >a >new kit, yesterday's kit of the same subject by a different >manufacturer >that was the greatest thing since sliced bread has now >been thrown in the >garbage, and anyone building the old kit is quickly >laughed at for using >it instead of the new one? No, I have never seen that happen. Ok, I've only been going to IPMS (I attend the DC and Northern Va. chapters) for 2 years. Sure, people humm and hah about kits being superceded but nobody is subjected to ridicule. >This type of person is one of the main reasons I have abandoned the >local >modeling club. Come down to DC - nobody'll laugh at you. No really! :) >I have seen some good work using the newer kits, and am not meaning to >detract from that or put down the people that built them, but how many >of >these people will attempt the early Eduard kits, or a scratch >built? Here >again I ran into people in the club saying how great their >modeling >talents were, but they didn't want to mess with a kit that was >too much >work to build. Sure, do what you want, but don't put people >like me down >because we the challenge that the Eduard kits present. The first built kit I ever rought to IPMS was an Airfix DH-4 with seams showing, blobs of glue etc. Nobody made fun. What hellacious club were you attending? No wonder you were turned off. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:43:43 -0600 From: "Matt Bittner" To: "wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu" Subject: Signing off Message-ID: <200012290243.SAA12703@falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net> I'm off for an extended vacation, so I'll be unsubbing until I get back next week. Everyone play nice, and remember - 1/72nd rules! ;-) Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:26:23 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: <012401c07147$1efeb6c0$42fbaec7@default> I've been hunting around and was able to e-mail Tom's Modelworks and inquire about custom PE. I couldn't find an e-mail for Fotocut, but did come up with a phone number which I will try tomorrow. I found a site for Part, but was unable to download the translation routine to get it to come up in English. I'll keep y'all posted on any responses I can drum up. Tee handles sound like an excellent addition that will have uses on many models. and a pigeon cage would be real cool for two seaters. A Foster mount for a Lewis gun could be used on many types. Switch faces, handles and gun triggers are fairly generic as are belt buckles. Flare cartrige racks are another item used on different planes and Maxium gun cocking handles would be useful too. Some type specific stuff is available in existing sets and other type specific things may not have wide enough appeal to spread the costs sufficiently, but we won't know that until we get some information back from the producers on the costs. In order to get these drawn to reasonable scale we need some actual sizes. Control horns S, M & L Height & base width Exit gromets Length & width Stiching Height and stitches per foot Tee handles shaft length & handle length Switch faces diameter Switch handles length Maxium lever lever length & handle length Gun triggers Length & width Belt buckles Length & width plus shape Pigeon cage L W H More complex shapes like a Foster mount or flare rack will have to be taken from drawings I'll see what I can dig up in my refrences, but if you know or have a reasonable estimate of any of the above sizes, sing out. Getting a list of basic dimensions together beforehand will make the job of creating the proper artwork much easier. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:41:55 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: <20001229034155.23392.qmail@web9006.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, The LSM Junkers J.I kit includes a pidgeon cage. I was told the company that does the p.e. for this kit is called Fotocell. Flare racks would also work for flight leaders a/c. I would also like to suggest rear-view mirrors. Tom's Mworks wanted to do control horns and turnbuckles. He just lacked dimensions for them. Todd --- "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > I've been hunting around and was able to e-mail > Tom's Modelworks and inquire > about custom PE. I couldn't find an e-mail for > Fotocut, but did come up with > a phone number which I will try tomorrow. I found a > site for Part, but was > unable to download the translation routine to get it > to come up in English. > > I'll keep y'all posted on any responses I can drum > up. > > Tee handles sound like an excellent addition that > will have uses on many > models. and a pigeon cage would be real cool for two > seaters. A Foster mount > for a Lewis gun could be used on many types. Switch > faces, handles and gun > triggers are fairly generic as are belt buckles. > Flare cartrige racks are > another item used on different planes and Maxium gun > cocking handles would > be useful too. > > Some type specific stuff is available in existing > sets and other type > specific things may not have wide enough appeal to > spread the costs > sufficiently, but we won't know that until we get > some information back from > the producers on the costs. > > In order to get these drawn to reasonable scale we > need some actual sizes. > Control horns S, M & L Height & base width > Exit gromets Length & width > Stiching Height and stitches per foot > Tee handles shaft length & handle length > Switch faces diameter > Switch handles length > Maxium lever lever length & handle length > Gun triggers Length & width > Belt buckles Length & width plus shape > Pigeon cage L W H > More complex shapes like a Foster mount or flare > rack will have to be taken > from drawings > > I'll see what I can dig up in my refrences, but if > you know or have a > reasonable estimate of any of the above sizes, sing > out. Getting a list of > basic dimensions together beforehand will make the > job of creating the > proper artwork much easier. > > sp > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:45:38 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: <20001229034538.85341.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> Fotocut already does stitching. I'd rather use Archer's Fine Transfers. Dry transfers, no glues. Todd --- "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > > > I'll sketch up a basic layout and post it for > review and modification, but > > someone less artistically challenged than myself > will have to draw up the > > actual artwork. Anyone interested in doung this? > > sp > > OK I made a real rough sketch of a potential layout > for control horns, exit > gromets, zig zag stitching and tail frames. > http://smperry.home.mindspring.com/pe.htm > No attempt was made to be accurate with shape and > relative sizes are > approximate. This is simply to give an idea how the > basic layout of the > parts might look and to offer a starting point for > discussion. Again, the > idea is a sheet with enough for four models. > > I have no idea what a "blip switch" looks like so I > didn't attempt one. > Turnbuckles might be elongated versions of the exit > gromets. If you have any > suggestions, feel free to download and modify the > image. Once we get some > general agreement on the composition the ideas can > be drawn up precisely. > > sp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:01:43 -0500 From: "Steven M.Perry" To: Subject: Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: <012e01c0714c$0e96f040$42fbaec7@default> > Fotocut already does stitching. I'd rather use > Archer's Fine Transfers. Dry transfers, no glues. You're right Todd. Etched stitching would probably be a waste of brass. I'll see what I can come up with for horn & turnbuckle dimensions. Maybe Tom's will do a set of those on their own. sp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:01:12 -0600 From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" To: Subject: RE: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) Message-ID: I do regret feeling this way about the local IPMS club. I used to enjoy it, but lately it has become more of a social club, with members seeking status by seeing who can accumulate the most kits. I was one of three or four members who ever built anything. Not that collecting kits isn't part of the hobby, but I got tired of being told what was wrong with my models by people who haven't built anything themselves, or not for many years. It is almost as if they lost their enthusiasm about building models, and can now only talk about building them. If your club is supportive, that is really great. That is what this hobby is all about. Paul -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kendix >Another thing, have you also noticed how when a manufacturer brings out... No, I have never seen that happen. Ok, I've only been going to IPMS (I attend the DC and Northern Va. chapters) for 2 years. Sure, people humm and hah about kits being superceded but nobody is subjected to ridicule. >This type of person is one of the main reasons I have abandoned the >local >modeling club. Come down to DC - nobody'll laugh at you. No really! :) >I have seen some good work using the newer kits... The first built kit I ever rought to IPMS was an Airfix DH-4 with seams showing, blobs of glue etc. Nobody made fun. What hellacious club were you attending? No wonder you were turned off. Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:07:00 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: <20001229040700.87217.qmail@web9008.mail.yahoo.com> I've never seen any Part sets up close, but I've read they do excellent work. One description of them was "Poland's answer to Eduard", so they must be nice. Unfortunately for 1:48 scale modellers the only OT subjects they do are in 1:72. They do tend to do sets for 1:48 ot ICM kits. I'm hoping after ICM releases their 1:48 Sikorskii S.16 kit, Part will follow up with a detail set for it. I think some of the SAMI issues have contact info for them. Todd --- "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > I've been hunting around and was able to e-mail > Tom's Modelworks and inquire > about custom PE. I couldn't find an e-mail for > Fotocut, but did come up with > a phone number which I will try tomorrow. I found a > site for Part, but was > unable to download the translation routine to get it > to come up in English. > > I'll keep y'all posted on any responses I can drum > up. > > Tee handles sound like an excellent addition that > will have uses on many > models. and a pigeon cage would be real cool for two > seaters. A Foster mount > for a Lewis gun could be used on many types. Switch > faces, handles and gun > triggers are fairly generic as are belt buckles. > Flare cartrige racks are > another item used on different planes and Maxium gun > cocking handles would > be useful too. > > Some type specific stuff is available in existing > sets and other type > specific things may not have wide enough appeal to > spread the costs > sufficiently, but we won't know that until we get > some information back from > the producers on the costs. > > In order to get these drawn to reasonable scale we > need some actual sizes. > Control horns S, M & L Height & base width > Exit gromets Length & width > Stiching Height and stitches per foot > Tee handles shaft length & handle length > Switch faces diameter > Switch handles length > Maxium lever lever length & handle length > Gun triggers Length & width > Belt buckles Length & width plus shape > Pigeon cage L W H > More complex shapes like a Foster mount or flare > rack will have to be taken > from drawings > > I'll see what I can dig up in my refrences, but if > you know or have a > reasonable estimate of any of the above sizes, sing > out. Getting a list of > basic dimensions together beforehand will make the > job of creating the > proper artwork much easier. > > sp > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:13:22 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Hayes To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: <20001229041322.12228.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Tom already told me a few months ago he wanted to do the horns and buckles anyway. Dimensions and types were his problem. Some people might like the p.e. stitching but it seems to me to be a more difficult way of representing stitches. Todd --- "Steven M.Perry" wrote: > > > Fotocut already does stitching. I'd rather use > > Archer's Fine Transfers. Dry transfers, no glues. > > You're right Todd. Etched stitching would probably > be a waste of brass. > > I'll see what I can come up with for horn & > turnbuckle dimensions. Maybe > Tom's will do a set of those on their own. > > sp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 04:15:22 From: "Michael Kendix" To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: RE: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) Message-ID: >From: "Paul Schwartzkopf" >I do regret feeling this way about the local IPMS club. ... >It is almost as if they lost their enthusiasm about building models, >and >can now only talk about building them. If your club is supportive, >that >is really great. That is what this hobby is all about. Paul: Too bad. Every club needs a balance between the voyeurs and exhibitionists:). Also, the exhibitionists have to remain modest (hard for exhibitionists) and the voyeurs have to remain appreciative (also difficult sometimes). Michael _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:13:40 -0800 From: "Ray Boorman" To: Subject: RE: PE - Fotocut info - Group based etch parts Message-ID: Steve, I have the info for Fotocut. I'm not sure if he has a business email. The addie I have for Fred Hultberg AKA egg cook and bottle washer of Fotocut is oletcher@fredsmail.com I dont have a phone number though. I can email him today if you want. I dont particularly know him in fact he emailed me after someone on the list must have passed the thread on to him earlier this week. I'll need to know the type of info we need. I presume how much for a run of 10/20/30 sheets. How large a sheet etc. Any special instruction he might need to do the work. As in how does he want the work submitted to him. Below is the synopsis of the email he sent me. Let me know what you want me to ask in the email. Regards Ray Boorman ********************************************************** Hi, Ray - YOur letter was forwarded to me by a friend. I am owner, president, floor-sweeper, and so on at FOTOCUT. Yes, still doing etching, sometimes take s a while, though - busy and getting older! My address: Fotocut Bpx 120 Erieville, NY 13061 If needed, I can scan and send a price guide fop custom-etching, but it's pretty basic and doesn't cover all needs by any means, and in any event may be subject to (possibly) drastic change soon(thank your friends at the EPA and in CA for cooperating!). Artwork may be submitted at the address above, too. I had to get out of the education business, so you may want to "network" about artwork, but it's simple: BLACK is metal; WHITE is air. Most people don't believe it's that simple. What I personally find to be the tough part is coming up with designs! All for now; yours, Fred Hultberg *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 23:32:55 EST From: TomTheAeronut@aol.com To: wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu Subject: Re: Easy Modeling (was RE: ICM's kits and Konig review) Message-ID: <43.e9bf956.277d6df7@aol.com> In a message dated 12/28/00 11:04:50 PM EST, pschwartzkopf@neb.rr.com writes: << but I got tired of being told what was wrong with my models by people who haven't built anything themselves, or not for many years. >> The easiest way to put a stop to that is smile and say "Gee, thanks, by the way, where's *your* model???" It only takes a couple of those to let the "experts" know what is what. TC ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 2928 **********************