WWI Digest 4006 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Stark facts and Starboard views by "Dave Burke" 2) Re: scale paints by Karen Rychlewski 3) Re: Digital dioramas by Karen Rychlewski 4) Re: Rigging Triplanes by REwing@aol.com 5) 北京酒店最低价 # ACA by "北京京城假日预订中心" 6) Re: Rigging Triplanes by "Diego Fernetti" 7) RE: Stark facts and Starboard views by "Diego Fernetti" 8) 1/72 bezels by "Diego Fernetti" 9) =?big5?Q?Net5=B9q=A4l=B3=F8?= by Net5絬衡 10) RE: What did Santa bring you.. ???? by "Diego Fernetti" 11) RE: Stark facts and Starboard views by KnnthS@aol.com 12) Re: scale paints by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 13) Re: scale paints by KnnthS@aol.com 14) Re: scale paints by Nigel Cheffers-Heard 15) Re: scale paints by KnnthS@aol.com 16) Re: Stark facts and Starboard views by "Hans Trauner" 17) =?big5?Q?=A7=D6=B6i=A8=D3=AC=DD=AC=DD?= by lover.cyber 18) Triplane rigging by "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" 19) RE: What Santa brought by mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) 20) vWFIhmNIk7hFWtxl FDD/HDD/LCD/MONITOR/MOTHERBOARD/PCMICA CARD COMPUTER PRODUCTS AND ELECTRIC APPLIANCE(AUDIO/VIDEO) ON SALE bk2Z6N2OtruE0N by david@jada.dns2go.com 21) re: Cyber Lover by "Grzegorz Mazurowski" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:57:33 -0600 From: "Dave Burke" To: Subject: Stark facts and Starboard views Message-ID: <000f01c18e9b$61a0fca0$a3131a3f@s0024008072> Hey Kids!!! Well, this is - as they say - it. I am embarking on yet another project. On the one hand, I am returning to work on my 1/48 representation of Rudi Stark's Fokker D.VII 'Li' in its final lavender and black splendor. I am ALSO doing it in 1/28 scale with all of the proper modifications added. BUT.... It seems that the only pics that I have of Stark's bird are port-side shots - no starboard view. Now I know that 'Li' was an OAW-built D.VII. But what kind of exhaust did it have? Did it have that sheet-metal fairing over the engine with the square hole in it for the exhaust pipe, or was it standard? All Help Welcome!!! DB ...Too close for pickles, switching to buns.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 00:44:45 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: scale paints Message-ID: <3C2AB54D.3D131BD5@earthlink.net> Mordecai Sheftall wrote: > > > The effect is generally achieved by > adding white. I believe Shep Paine's formula for "scaling" color was 1:3 > White:Base Color for 1/48 and 1:2 White:Base Color for 1/72. The exact > figures (how can you be "exact", tho', right?) may be off, but that's the > general theory. This is one of those mind-puzzling things that I have never quite understood; though, admittedly, it takes little to puzzle my mind any more. I'm aware of the effects of distance on color (called "aerial perspective" in the art trade), but that formula seems 'way off to me: carried further, it would imply that for 1/144 the paint would be 1:1 white:base color. That seems far too light to me. And by the same token, how come all those 1/700 ship models aren't pure white? Does this presume that all [model] paint manufacturers mix the colors to a 1/1 scale? Seen from what distance? Adding white to get the "scale" effect doesn't seem quite right either. If I remember my freshman color theory course, the 'aerial perspective' effect is one of the colors appearing duller and less saturated, not lighter. To dull and desaturate (alter the intensity and hue of a color) one adds the complement of the color (remember your old 4th grade "color wheel": the complement of a color is directly across the circle; i.e. the complement of red is green). Adding white only lightens the color. 'Course if we're talking about "scale color" as seen through a snowstorm... Personally, I don't bother with any formulas when choosing colors. If it looks right, it's OK by me. Dicta Ira lives! But I'm curious how many of the masterful listees do consider and try to use "scale color"; and for those who do, how do you determine the exact color you'll use? Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 00:48:00 -0500 From: Karen Rychlewski To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Digital dioramas Message-ID: <3C2AB610.A83AB2C6@earthlink.net> KarrArt@aol.com wrote: > MackH@Health.State.OK.US [wrote]: > << Didn't know if anyone had seen this. http://www.digitaldioramas.com/ > > Sounds like the guys got big dreams, but if he pulls this off, it should be > an entertaining and useful site. There's already a competitor who's off to a nice start. See http://fp.docdio.f9.co.uk/page/homepage.htm Dame Karen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 01:48:55 EST From: REwing@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: Rigging Triplanes Message-ID: >>I'm currently preparing my 1/48 Sopwith Triplane for rigging and have gone through a time consuming process of working out the measurements needed to ensure that the monofilament passes the middle wing in a straight line without bends or kinks. What I was wondering was what do the wise ones on the list do to ensure that their rigging passes through the wing in a straight line?<< Somewhere I saw a simple jig using something that is pretty stiff and the exact length from the bottom of the top wing and to the anchor point at the fuselage. Make a cut out for the middle wing. Using the edge on the cut out side, line up how the wire will go and drill a hole at that particular angle. Sounds like that may actually work though I haven't tried it, yet. 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------=_NextPart_001_0080_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BDF6C7.FABAC1B0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:01:42 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: Re: Rigging Triplanes Message-ID: <007b01c18ebd$7c7833a0$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Hi Rick! Welcome back! it's great to see your name on the list again. Your idea to determine the rigging through on the middle wing sounds good, I'll have to try that someday. This have puzzled my mind for a while and I even devised a rather more involved method that's sort of the opposite of yours: Building a "rack" with two pieces of cardboard just like the interplane spaces, then mark over it the rigging ends as in the model. Get the rack off the model, trace a straight line between the two points and over the empty space that correspond to the middle wing, and later fit the rack once again on the model. The intersection of the drawn line and the middle wing is the place to drill the rigging hole. D. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 4:02 AM Subject: [WWI] Re: Rigging Triplanes > > >>I'm currently preparing my 1/48 Sopwith Triplane for rigging and have gone > through a time consuming process of working out the measurements needed to > ensure that the monofilament passes the middle wing in a straight line > without bends or kinks. What I was wondering was what do the wise ones on > the list do to ensure that their rigging passes through the wing in a > straight line?<< > > Somewhere I saw a simple jig using something that is pretty stiff and > the exact length from the bottom of the top wing and to the anchor point at > the fuselage. Make a cut out for the middle wing. Using the edge on the cut > out side, line up how the wire will go and drill a hole at that particular > angle. Sounds like that may actually work though I haven't tried it, yet. > HTH, > -Rick- > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:03:34 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: Stark facts and Starboard views Message-ID: <008901c18ebd$bf16f340$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Dave! > It seems that the only pics that I have of Stark's bird are port-side > shots - no starboard view. Lee Mensinger probably knows about the details of the replica done in Texas recently for the US Air Force Museum. Ask the weather man to know from where the wind blows! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:16:27 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: 1/72 bezels Message-ID: <00ce01c18ebf$8bb6df40$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Warren! I prefer the Tom's Modelworks PE detail bits. There no set named "bezels" but on every detail fret, be german, british or french, it brings a lot of bezels etched in very fine brass. Fotocut also makes a "WW1 part extravaganza" wich is good too, I guess that Barry at Rosemont has them in stock. HTH D. PS: No package yet? ----- Original Message ----- From: ibs4421 To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:42 PM Subject: [WWI] Re: Brent's Loot > > I'm going to have to dig > > around and find more bezels. > > Speaking of bezels, what is the best source for these in 1/72nd scale? > > Warren > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 05:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: Net5絬衡 To: 克稲呼ね Subject: =?big5?Q?Net5=B9q=A4l=B3=F8?= Message-ID: <87R@gcn.net.tw> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_aWAvLjNoqh7xAYAiL Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_aWAvLjNoqh7xAYAiLAA" ------=_NextPart_aWAvLjNoqh7xAYAiLAA Content-Type: text/html; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGh0bWw+DQo8ZnJhbWVzZXQgcm93cz0qIGZyYW1lYm9yZGVyPSJOTyIgYm9yZGVyPSIwIiBmcmFt ZXNwYWNpbmc9IjAiIGNvbHM9Kj4NCjxmcmFtZSBzY3JvbGxpbmc9InllcyIgc3JjPSJodHRwOi8v d3d3Lm5ldHM1LmNvbS9BRC8wMTEyMjUuaHRtIj4NCjwvZnJhbWVzZXQ+DQo8L2h0bWw+ ------=_NextPart_aWAvLjNoqh7xAYAiLAA-- ------=_NextPart_aWAvLjNoqh7xAYAiL-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:10:39 -0300 From: "Diego Fernetti" To: Subject: RE: What did Santa bring you.. ???? Message-ID: <013001c18ec7$1e673180$4640a8c0@ssp.salud.rosario.gov.ar> Shane! > Looks like you have a BIG hit Mr St Pete Santa....... > Man, I just *got* to be in this next year. Yes, The Secret Santa Project brought by Marcio was a great fun and added a bit of spice to the holidays. Next year it must be planned with a little bit more of anticipation and hopefully we will be more participants, to add to the fun! D. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 06:39:13 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: RE: Stark facts and Starboard views Message-ID: <158.65c12f3.295c6261@aol.com> D writes: << Ask the weather man to know from where the wind blows! >> I don't know what the other side of Stark's plane looks like but I know the rest of Subterranean Homesick Blues- Does that help? the pump don't work cos the vandals took the handles -Zimmerman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:00:45 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: scale paints Message-ID: Oh worthy Dame, An interesting reply. Looking out of my window here I can see a white house across the river and another white house about 4 miles away. The second house certainly looks less bright. Therefore adding white can't be right...... To desaturate a colour of LIGHT, add the complementary. To desaturate a PIGMENT, add grey OF THE SAME BRIGHTNESS. The whole point here is that we are talking about two things: 1) Saturation refers to the intensity of a colour, and if you desaturate it, its grey-scale brightness will remain constant. ie If you photograph it on perfect B/W film, it will look the same in both before and after. Try turning down the colour on your TV, see the effect. 2) Lightness refers to how light or dark it is. Adding white to the paint WILL desaturate it, but will make it lighter. HOWEVER, it will not get as light as you expect. Equally, if you add grey of the same brightness, it is likely to come out darker than you expect. I don't know why, it just does. Moral seems to be here: go somewhere in between. Choose what works for you. Remember that a lot of this advice is in fact fashion. Adding 1/3rd is wildly too much. So, I personally add about 10% of very pale grey for 1/48th. Looks OK to me, and doesn't have that "frosted" look of overly added white and dry-brushing. How about the effect of washes? They will tend to darken the overall effect. But the bottom line is does it look OK to you? I am not personally interested in competitions and arguments about the colours of paints or lozenges, I am interested in the end result looking OK to me. I build and paint my models to please myself, my model club agrees to disagree with me about the issue. I personally hate going to a show and seeing models that look like they were painted by Andrew Lloyd Webber's set designer on speed... camo is supposed to look flat and boring, that's its job. As for red Triplanes, I've never heard anything so ridiculous.... :) A last thought: The BBC is noted for its costume dramas, and we are treated to wonderful period pieces with smoky atmosphere and wonderfully desaturated colours in the clothing. This perpetuates the theatrical myth that the Victorians lived in a desaturated world. On the contrary, synthetic dyestuffs were widely used in clothing, and pigments in paint. Trouble was, they faded to what we now see, and thus believe them to have been. Our views of 20th Century history are much coloured (desaturated?) by dramatic representations, and thus we now tend to make our models look like film sets rather than like they actually were. There was a young guy playing an elderly one the other night on TV, and he looked like his face had been airbrushed! Beware the media interpretation, they add conviction by over-emphasising, and we eventually believe it. Sorry to waffle, N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:04:22 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: scale paints Message-ID: <12d.9eaf2d0.295c6846@aol.com> Karen writes: << Adding white to get the "scale" effect doesn't seem quite right either. >> Here's a key point to add: Unless you adjust the insignia and markings, porportional, it's moot. If you are able to paint your own markings, like Karen, this may not be a problem. Otherwise, most decal folks do not typically factor in the effect we are discussing. We must have gone to the same art school, Karen. And to add: If you knock down the Chroma of the color (grey it, 'flatten it', mute it) you also affect the Hue when you do so. If you throw in how color shifts as function quality of light (anyone painted their lving room lately?) you really get up to your elbows....which gets back to Karen's point about Dicta Ira. Michael mentioned yesterday how we are all speculating against black & white photography as source for this and that scale effect, given that source, strains credulity (as he so aptly worded it). Kevin Costner in 'Tin Men': "Or, you can just grip it 'n rip it" as we say in Texas" It's an art *and* a science. After all the science is exhausted, I'd vote for art. Now-does anyone know-If we are looking at full-grain yew for color vs. loose grain yew in the visible structure of the cockpit, wouldn't the wood pieces be slightly different in color, depending on nature of grain....and where the yew was obtained and which aircraft it was in manufacture sequence....? -Koncerned Kenny, Kidding ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:09:50 +0000 From: Nigel Cheffers-Heard To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: scale paints Message-ID: >It's an art *and* a science. >-Koncerned Kenny, Kidding I'm sure you know: an ART is a science with more than seven variables..... N -- Nigel Cheffers-Heard photography + design tel: +44 (0)1392 87 58 57 fax: +44 (0)1392 87 74 97 mobile: 0771 261 4514 nigelch@cheffers.co.uk www.cheffers.co.uk Laburnums, Bridge Hill Topsham, Exeter EX3 0QQ, UK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:23:12 EST From: KnnthS@aol.com To: wwi@wwi-models.org Subject: Re: scale paints Message-ID: Nigel writes: << more than seven variables..... >> gluttony, greed, pride, sneezy, grumpy, happy and dopey at least in this century. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:16:36 +0100 From: "Hans Trauner" To: Subject: Re: Stark facts and Starboard views Message-ID: <005101c18ee1$18645960$74a172d4@FRITZweb> Dave, according to Albatros Fokker Anthology Pt 2, page 43, pics J-35-6 and J35-7 R.Stark's D VII did have the sheet over the engine and the squared hole for the exhaust. The AF Museum's representation does have the very same configuration. Contact me off-line for scans or AFM pics. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:21:23 -0500 (EST) From: lover.cyber To: HK98-01, HK98-02, HK98-03, HK98-05, HK98-06, HK98-07, HK98-08, HK98-09, Subject: =?big5?Q?=A7=D6=B6i=A8=D3=AC=DD=AC=DD?= Message-ID: <5xaZ8Jl0@pavo.seed.net.tw> http://lovercyber.com/index1.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:36:08 -0600 From: "Charlie and Linda Duckworth" To: "wwi-faq" Subject: Triplane rigging Message-ID: <001801c18ee4$134d3840$1432b9cc@unionrai> What I was wondering was what do the wise ones on the list do to ensure that their rigging passes through the wing in a straight line? Neil, I definately don't fit into the 'wise one' catagory perhaps but here's my two cents worth. You can drill through the top wing at an angle where the wire starts. Then take a piece of ceramic wire and line it up where you 'think' it will pass through the middle wing. Go through the same process from the other side so you can 'dry fit' the rigging. After your satisified by 'eyeballing' the middle wing entry mark the spot and drill at the proper angle. You could also use .005 ceramic wire for the bracing it's very straight won't kink. Charlie Who received OT book 'Sea Killers in Disguise' Q ships & Decoy Raiders by Tony Bridgland for Christmas. Very interesting aspect of the war. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:40:25 -0600 From: mflake@tarrantcounty.com (Flake, Marc) To: "'wwi@wwi-models.org'" Subject: RE: What Santa brought Message-ID: <5F4636CE02C4D511B0D600065B04EA09CB2A12@ITCREX002.tarrantcounty.com> I got lucky on two fronts. On one front, I made my own luck, ordering a Profipak Albatros D II from Karaya that was wrapped and placed under the tree by my seven-year-old son (the four-year old wrapped a box containing an ot Ardpol Douglas O-2). On the second front, I opened up a wish list on Amazon.com that really paid off: The Schiffer British Squadron Markings book and the second volume of Dehavilland Aircraft from FMP. I got the second volume instead of the first volume because amazon had them listed the wrong way around -- but no worries, I'll either pick up the first volume oon my own or wait until my birthday. Kudos to our own Bob Pearson on the profiles in the Schiffer book. Lovely work. Marc Flake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: david@jada.dns2go.com To: \hk-l.txt, \deshk84.txt, \deshk85.txt, \deshk86.txt, \deshk87.txt, Subject: vWFIhmNIk7hFWtxl FDD/HDD/LCD/MONITOR/MOTHERBOARD/PCMICA CARD COMPUTER PRODUCTS AND ELECTRIC APPLIANCE(AUDIO/VIDEO) ON SALE bk2Z6N2OtruE0N Message-ID: TEXASCOM ENTERPRISES CO., LTD. 3F NO. 135 PAO CHUNG RD. 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Product is considered new pull. This is very good quality and very professionally handled. I have already delivered 1000pcs and have had no defective units to date. As of now there are 4000pcs, fob east coast, USA. I will quote $38.00 ea for now there is not much room to negotiate. 2) 2.1 SCSI HDD WITH CARD USD19.00/PCS 4.3 SCSI HDD WITH CARD USD27.00/PCS (ALL HAVE NO BAD SECTOR 15 DAYS WARRENTY) 8. BX MOTHERBOARD ON SALE: 1) brand :INTEL CHIPSET 2) vga & sound ON BOARD 3) BULK PACKING 4) A STOCK Q'TY=500PCS 9. PALM KEY(USB PALM HDD) PALM KEY USB FLASH DRIVE Features: 〈 USB Interface A true ¨Plug & Play〃 connection supports hot swapping function. 〈 Power Supply Get powered directly from USB port; no external power or batteries needed 〈 Operating Systems Support No driver required for Windows ME, Windows 2000, Mac OS 8.6/X, Linux 2.4.or higher. Driver is only needed for Windows 95OSR2 Windows98 SE. 〈 Transfer rate Transfer rate is up tu 12Mbits/sec at ¨Full Speed〃. 〈 Security Writing-protection switch included. Specifications: 〈 Size: 85mm * 27mm * 13mm(L*W*H) 〈 Weight: 18g 〈 Date retention up to 10 years 〈 Provide LED indicator while PLM Key is in use 〈 Power consumption: White 36.0mA, Read 26.0mA 〈 Erase cycles:1,000,000times 〈 Read speed 850KB /sec. 〈 Write speed 500KB /sec. 〈 Shock resistance: 1000G (maximum) PRICE: 1. USD43.80 FOR 64MB MINI ORDER 300PCS 2. USD75.00 FOR 128MB MINI ORDER 200PCS 10. EPSON DOT MATRIX PRINTER : We CAN OFFER 500-1000 dot matrix printers / monthly WE CAN OFFER YOU EPSON LX 300/800/LQ570/1070/1055....ETC ALSO CAN OFFER YOU FUJITSU/.........ETC PLS IF YOU ARE INTERESTING CALL ASAP I WILL MAIL YOU PHOTO AND DETAIL PRICE PRICE FROM USD35.00/WITH PACKING 11. ISDN MODEM WE HAVE 2000PCS ISDN MODEM ON SALE THE PRICE USD20.00/PCS MINI ORDER 500PCS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:18:59 +0100 From: "Grzegorz Mazurowski" To: Subject: re: Cyber Lover Message-ID: <00ca01c18ee9$db93b860$0200a8c0@x.pl> Geeeez! At first I thought that it's something for digital diorama, but looking on mail address - I became suspicious - @mustang.sr.unh.edu? Sounds familiar!!!! Grzes ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: [WWI] е秈ㄓ > http://lovercyber.com/index1.htm > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of WWI Digest 4006 **********************